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Postby Kalle Beck » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:21 pm

Here you can discuss the Starting Strongman Rankings as found at http://www.startingstrongman.com/rankings

comment with what you think should be on the list below

IGHTWEIGHT 80KG/175lbs


Patrick Castelli
1. Patrick Castelli USA
2.Jon Alderson USA
3.Antony "Atom Ant" Cosentino Australia
4.Wesley Ipock USA
5.MARIUS HALVORSEN Norway
6.Sami Patari Finland
7.Jonathon Adams USA
8.Richard Yu USA
9.Quint Zambon USA
10.Shane Jerman England

MIDDLEWEIGHT 90KG/200LBS


James Ward
1.James Ward England
2.Arram Eghoyan England
3.Brandon McDonald USA
4.Andreas Valand Norway
5.Tim Enerson Norway
6.Matthew Lacroix USA
7.Chase Karnes USA
8.Rob Ward England
9.Tom Hibbert England
10.Aaron Fondry USA



MIDDEWEIGHT 105KG/231LBS


Ben Kelsey
1.Ben Kelsey England
2.Sean Demarinis USA
3.Rob Kearney USA
4.Dave Daly USA
5.Zack McCarley USA
6.Tyler Stickle USA
7.Jimmy Dart USA
8.Lee Forbister England
9.Jorgen Skaug Aukland Norway
10.Harri Peltomaa Finland

HEAVYWEIGHT


Zydrunas Savickas
1.Zydrunas Savickas Lithunia
2.Brian Shaw USA
3.Hafthor Bjørnson Iceland
4.Mike Burke USA
5.Vytautus Lalas Lithunia
6.Eddie Hall England
7.Terr y Hollands England
8.David Ostlund USA
9.Laurence Shahlaei England
10.Jerry Pritchett USA

WOMEN

LIGHTWEIGHT 63KG/140LBS


Kristyn Whisman
1.Kristyn Whisman USA
2.Stefanie Tropea USA
3.Kristen Boulay USA
4.Rachel Pyron USA (120)
5.Tracy Stankavage USA
6.Jessica Rush USA
7.Alisha Ciolek USA
8.Jessica Kite USA
9.Ashley Lawrence USA
10.Cynthia McCright USA



MIDDLEWEIGHT 81KG/181LBS


Alanna Casey
1.Alanna Casey USA (150/165)
2.Kristy Scott USA
3.Maya Winters USA (150/165)
4.Kim Baum USA (150/165)
5.Krisi Jarvi USA (150)
6.Amy Payne USA
7.Erika Drinkard USA (160)
8.Kellye Brestan USA
9.Gina Melnik USA (160)
10.Brittany Diamond USA (160)



HEAVYWEIGHT


Kristin Rhodes
1.Kristin Rhodes USA
2.Kati Luoto Finland
3.Kristy Scott USA (200)
4.Danielle Curry USA
5.Alanna Casey USA (200)
6.Kim Zimmerman USA
7.Brittany Cornelius USA
8.Candace Pellock USA (200)
9.Jolanta Svike Latvia
10.Rachel Mackenzie Australia

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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby Kalle Beck » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:41 am

To be clear these were compiled via Contest performances over the last two years.

If you have an athlete you feel should be added or ranked higher. Post below with contest results and numbers done in an actual competition!
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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby JyrkiRantanen » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:40 pm

I think these ratings are very good idea, but it should have a clear counter and info about which competitions are noted or how the ratings are created. In my eyes if thinking about past 2 years in for example the lists are a way too much based on for example USA nationals..national levels are not noted well enough

For example -

105kg class: Janne Hartikainen - 3 time world champ, who came 2nd last year in 105kg US Worlds..also won national title in both 105kg and open class...he is not in the list, but it the same list is Harri Peltomaa who was 3rd in US Worlds and was not in 105kg class last year and became 7th in Finnish Champs 2014...
Where is Valdas, who won last year US Worlds and was 4th earlier in very tough level British Champs.

90kg...Andreas Valand is 4th...the man is unbeatetable in Norway for 4 years, won US worlds, won european title, but still there´s Ward 1st, who have not competed outside UK, Arram won one home contest and is second (was not near top last year in Arnolds or Strongman Fitness Europeans).

Women´s...no noting of lw class except Arnold results and USA natioanals..

And many others..

The idea is good, but needs more forming as now there´s World #1 rankings and they might not be the truth..except Big Z, who truly deserves his place as 1.

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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby robert.moody.798 » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:22 pm

Here are the rankings from Canada's strongest man under 90 and under 105kg

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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby Kalle Beck » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:03 pm

JyrkiRantanen wrote:I think these ratings are very good idea, but it should have a clear counter and info about which competitions are noted or how the ratings are created. In my eyes if thinking about past 2 years in for example the lists are a way too much based on for example USA nationals..national levels are not noted well enough

For example -

105kg class: Janne Hartikainen - 3 time world champ, who came 2nd last year in 105kg US Worlds..also won national title in both 105kg and open class...he is not in the list, but it the same list is Harri Peltomaa who was 3rd in US Worlds and was not in 105kg class last year and became 7th in Finnish Champs 2014...
Where is Valdas, who won last year US Worlds and was 4th earlier in very tough level British Champs.

90kg...Andreas Valand is 4th...the man is unbeatetable in Norway for 4 years, won US worlds, won european title, but still there´s Ward 1st, who have not competed outside UK, Arram won one home contest and is second (was not near top last year in Arnolds or Strongman Fitness Europeans).

Women´s...no noting of lw class except Arnold results and USA natioanals..

And many others..

The idea is good, but needs more forming as now there´s World #1 rankings and they might not be the truth..except Big Z, who truly deserves his place as 1.



Thank you for your feedback Jyrki I agree completely and hope to fine tune the list with information such as you listed going forward. If you have results from said shows it would be great for you to post them and I will be watching your show this weekend as well.

This is merely a starting point and I think it is good the discussion has started.
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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby TomHibbert » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:28 am

JyrkiRantanen wrote:I think these ratings are very good idea, but it should have a clear counter and info about which competitions are noted or how the ratings are created. In my eyes if thinking about past 2 years in for example the lists are a way too much based on for example USA nationals..national levels are not noted well enough

For example -

105kg class: Janne Hartikainen - 3 time world champ, who came 2nd last year in 105kg US Worlds..also won national title in both 105kg and open class...he is not in the list, but it the same list is Harri Peltomaa who was 3rd in US Worlds and was not in 105kg class last year and became 7th in Finnish Champs 2014...
Where is Valdas, who won last year US Worlds and was 4th earlier in very tough level British Champs.

90kg...Andreas Valand is 4th...the man is unbeatetable in Norway for 4 years, won US worlds, won european title, but still there´s Ward 1st, who have not competed outside UK, Arram won one home contest and is second (was not near top last year in Arnolds or Strongman Fitness Europeans).

Women´s...no noting of lw class except Arnold results and USA natioanals..

And many others..

The idea is good, but needs more forming as now there´s World #1 rankings and they might not be the truth..except Big Z, who truly deserves his place as 1.


Re: u90kg division
- Not a single competitor at u90kg would argue with the fact that James Ward is still the u90kg king even with a year off due to 2 serious injuries. Maybe with another year off that argument can be made. He also won every event, bar stones which he was 2nd by 0.1sec, at his last comp which was Euros and arguably the highest standard of comp.
- Arram's comps at Arnold's & Strongman Fitness Euros were at u80kg, not comparable to his u90kg feats. To be dropping down to 80kg and then managing injuries over 1-2 years, but to then still come back to win against the list of competitors at SCL was a big achievement. Judging him on the last u90kg and his latest comp seems fair tbh!

That being said, having him 2nd is probably too high but he's def top 10 in the world

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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby Kalle Beck » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:16 am

TomHibbert wrote:
JyrkiRantanen wrote:I think these ratings are very good idea, but it should have a clear counter and info about which competitions are noted or how the ratings are created. In my eyes if thinking about past 2 years in for example the lists are a way too much based on for example USA nationals..national levels are not noted well enough

For example -

105kg class: Janne Hartikainen - 3 time world champ, who came 2nd last year in 105kg US Worlds..also won national title in both 105kg and open class...he is not in the list, but it the same list is Harri Peltomaa who was 3rd in US Worlds and was not in 105kg class last year and became 7th in Finnish Champs 2014...
Where is Valdas, who won last year US Worlds and was 4th earlier in very tough level British Champs.

90kg...Andreas Valand is 4th...the man is unbeatetable in Norway for 4 years, won US worlds, won european title, but still there´s Ward 1st, who have not competed outside UK, Arram won one home contest and is second (was not near top last year in Arnolds or Strongman Fitness Europeans).

Women´s...no noting of lw class except Arnold results and USA natioanals..

And many others..

The idea is good, but needs more forming as now there´s World #1 rankings and they might not be the truth..except Big Z, who truly deserves his place as 1.


Re: u90kg division
- Not a single competitor at u90kg would argue with the fact that James Ward is still the u90kg king even with a year off due to 2 serious injuries. Maybe with another year off that argument can be made. He also won every event, bar stones which he was 2nd by 0.1sec, at his last comp which was Euros and arguably the highest standard of comp.
- Arram's comps at Arnold's & Strongman Fitness Euros were at u80kg, not comparable to his u90kg feats. To be dropping down to 80kg and then managing injuries over 1-2 years, but to then still come back to win against the list of competitors at SCL was a big achievement. Judging him on the last u90kg and his latest comp seems fair tbh!

That being said, having him 2nd is probably too high but he's def top 10 in the world


Every 90kg I asked said James is a clear #1 if he remains inactive for much longer than yes things need to change... Agree competing at different weight classes such as 185 or 175 doesn't have barring on someones placing in the class they are ranked in.

I moved Arram down to 4th after consideration.

SCL Norway will be interesting as well as the full results with event finishes from Jyrki's comp to get more data
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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby JyrkiRantanen » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:08 pm

TOP3 AT US WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014:

-60kg
1. Sanna Savolainen, Finland
2. Jenny Warner, England
3. Terhi Sievers, Finland

-70kg
1. Janne Grandalen, Norway
2. Jennifer Todd, England
3. Eveliina Rosenström, Finland

Open
1. Olga Liaschuk, Ukraine
2. Lidija Hunko, Ukraine
3. Jennifer Tibbenham, USA

-80kg
1. Marius Halvorsen, Norway
2. Raimo Pikkuhookana, Finland
3. Oleksandr Stashenko, Ukraine

-105kg
1. Volodymyr Reksha, Ukraine
2. Will Baggott, England
3. Oleksiy Novikov, Ukraine

About the ranking the overall points are a little difficult as 1. you need to have clear counting system...not via yelling what people think...just competitions which are noted and you get points from there...all though part of the competitions are problematic as they are invitationals and all the time the invitations are not made with clear results from nationals for example...for example SCL comps are like that...then all of the lw contest are own cost trips, so most guys/girls can not make all the comps on clear budget reasons.
2 years is also a long time and hard to compare as there is athletes who might compete only in the other year - how about yearly ratings based on for example:

make top 6 at your nationals - get 6 points from winning, 5 for 2nd etc.
make top 6 at world champs (US or Arnolds and if you compete in both, only better placing counts) 12 points for winning, 10 for 2 nd etc.

Those are the comp most people have opportunities and they get spots via their nationals results list.

Then if you win your nationals and Worlds you are ranked 1st with 18pts...if someone also wins nationals and Worlds or Arnolds then look if they compete together in another worlds...which one was higher takes the crown.

Other comps are good, but on rating they are bad as they are invitationals made by other choices than national order.
Just to point out 105´s - Harri from Finland is on the list and he is a great, strong guy who deserves to be there ..he was 3rd in last years worlds and 3rd in invitational europeans this year...all though he was 7th in Finnish nationals for 105 this year...so, for example in this years list from Finland the national champ and nr 5 in Worlds Jiri should be in higher spot. Or if counting last year Hartikainen was 2nd in the worlds and won 105 AND OPEN title in Finnish champs (Harri was 3rd in Worlds and 6th in nationals in Open class)..or about invitations me or a few others who were above 7th spot in nationals have not been asked to the European champs this year etc...just to point out how difficult it is to compare competitions where is not open routes for everyone.

So, in yearly calculation via the above system last year Hartikainen would have got 16 pts against Harri´s 9 pts. this year Jiri 10 pts - Harri 0 pts..

So, less voting, more clear points and then the list is respected more and it starts to have a value where people want to and it could be official with many organizers signing it.

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Re: Strongman Rankings

Postby Kalle Beck » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:15 pm

JyrkiRantanen wrote:TOP3 AT US WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2014:

-60kg
1. Sanna Savolainen, Finland
2. Jenny Warner, England
3. Terhi Sievers, Finland

-70kg
1. Janne Grandalen, Norway
2. Jennifer Todd, England
3. Eveliina Rosenström, Finland

Open
1. Olga Liaschuk, Ukraine
2. Lidija Hunko, Ukraine
3. Jennifer Tibbenham, USA

-80kg
1. Marius Halvorsen, Norway
2. Raimo Pikkuhookana, Finland
3. Oleksandr Stashenko, Ukraine

-105kg
1. Volodymyr Reksha, Ukraine
2. Will Baggott, England
3. Oleksiy Novikov, Ukraine

About the ranking the overall points are a little difficult as 1. you need to have clear counting system...not via yelling what people think...just competitions which are noted and you get points from there...all though part of the competitions are problematic as they are invitationals and all the time the invitations are not made with clear results from nationals for example...for example SCL comps are like that...then all of the lw contest are own cost trips, so most guys/girls can not make all the comps on clear budget reasons.
2 years is also a long time and hard to compare as there is athletes who might compete only in the other year - how about yearly ratings based on for example:

make top 6 at your nationals - get 6 points from winning, 5 for 2nd etc.
make top 6 at world champs (US or Arnolds and if you compete in both, only better placing counts) 12 points for winning, 10 for 2 nd etc.

Those are the comp most people have opportunities and they get spots via their nationals results list.

Then if you win your nationals and Worlds you are ranked 1st with 18pts...if someone also wins nationals and Worlds or Arnolds then look if they compete together in another worlds...which one was higher takes the crown.

Other comps are good, but on rating they are bad as they are invitationals made by other choices than national order.
Just to point out 105´s - Harri from Finland is on the list and he is a great, strong guy who deserves to be there ..he was 3rd in last years worlds and 3rd in invitational europeans this year...all though he was 7th in Finnish nationals for 105 this year...so, for example in this years list from Finland the national champ and nr 5 in Worlds Jiri should be in higher spot. Or if counting last year Hartikainen was 2nd in the worlds and won 105 AND OPEN title in Finnish champs (Harri was 3rd in Worlds and 6th in nationals in Open class)..or about invitations me or a few others who were above 7th spot in nationals have not been asked to the European champs this year etc...just to point out how difficult it is to compare competitions where is not open routes for everyone.

So, in yearly calculation via the above system last year Hartikainen would have got 16 pts against Harri´s 9 pts. this year Jiri 10 pts - Harri 0 pts..

So, less voting, more clear points and then the list is respected more and it starts to have a value where people want to and it could be official with many organizers signing it.



When will you have full results with performances attached? Curious to see

There are pros and cons to both style systems. I think yearly going forward is a good move as well.

This is very much an UNOFFICIAL list, if you look at MMA sites lots have similar style rankings. That is all it is. I don't plan to make it points based like the SCL league

Bottom line people are learning more about the unknown athletes in the lesser covered divisions in this sport and thats the goal.
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